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with 40% affordable housing, 8 acres of parks and open space, all connected to public transit, and generate $25 million a year in revenue for san francisco. vote yes on d to turn this into this. ♪ don't forget this tuesday is the night of the first democratic presidential debate. and we'll be covering it out there live from las vegas. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> i think it's tougher if it's not paul. >> making speaker ryan. >> i did everything except carry his gym bag this morning, trying to get him to do it. >> the calamity on capitol hill, day two. tonight, will paul ryan be forced to try and save republicans from themselves? then, how ted cruz really feels
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about donald trump. >> i don't believe donald is going to be the nominee. >> democratic presidential candidate lawrencele lessig on y he's being shut out of the debates. and after two more campus shootings just today, president obama speaks in roseburg, oregon. and seth myers gets political. >> also, cigarettes and merlot. are you a congressman or joy behar on vacation? >> my exclusive interview with late night's seth myers. >> it's always exciting to write comedy during an election year, because it is like a reality show. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, paul ryan is the most wanted man in the republican party. a completely bizarre and unheard of scene played out on capitol hill today, as what looked to be all of washington fell over themselves to convince, cajole, even beg a man, a politician, to take what's arguably the second most powerful job in the u.s.
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government. and still, he's saying no. because under current circumstances, it's that bad of a job. after kevin mccarthy's bombshell decision yesterday to drop out of the running for speaker of the house, leaving a giant leadership vacuum in its place, something like a consensus has emerged that former vice presidential candidate paul ryan is the only man, the only man, who can step in and hold the house gop together. >> i know a lot of speculation about who should run, and others, paul i looking at it, but it's his decision. if he decides to do it, he would be an amazing speaker. but he's got to decide on his own. >> ryan insists he does not want the job. and as reports started coming out today that he might be reconsidering, his spokesperson taking to twitter, shooting each of them down individually, one by one. but the gop is simply not prepared to take no for an answer. >> i did everything except carry his gym bag this morning, trying to get him to do it. he has moderate support and he
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very clearly has conservative support. members of the freedom caucus have come to me, one after another, saying, let paul know we would be with him. >> mitt romney's, ryan's 2012 running mate called him today to make the case and later released a glowing statement. "i wouldn't presume to tell paul what to do, but i do know that he is a man of ideas who is driven to see them applied for the public good. every politician tries to convince people that they are that kind of leader, almost none are, paul is. paul has a driving position to get america back on a path of growth and opportunity. with paul, it's not just words, it's in his heart and soul." congressman ryan is reportedly now back at home in wisconsin where he's said to be doing some soul searching and talking it all over with his family. and that's about where things stand as the house adjourns for a week-long recess. the republican caucus remerged from its second meeting in two days with no plan, no apparent strategy for the must-pass bills coming up on the house docket, and growing sign that the house
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freedom caucus, which provoked the current leadership crisis, has no intention of backing down. some are expressing doubts about paul ryan's potential speakership, signalling they will not cooperate without major changes to house rules, outlined in a document the group has been circulating among leadership candidates. >> everyone wants to see someone sign their name to that, right? before you give the head honcho the big job, you want to have certainty. and that's all that's at stake. >> if there's anything that shows how divided this republican conference is, it's how differently each faction regards the current state of affairs. here's congressman john fleming, a member of the freedom caucus, on today's meeting. >> it was actually a very light-hearted mood, people cracking jokes, and giving congratulatory offers to the speaker and also to kevin mccarthy for doing noble things, stepping down and saving the conference from big battles.
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so this is another time of sharing, a family get-together. >> a very different interpretation from congressman charlie dent, a relative moderate. >> a group therapy session, and as expected, not much productive happened. >> usually it takes more than one therapy session for people to get to the root of the problem. >> and there's a lot of work for therapists. >> joining me now, congressman mo brooks, a republican for alabama and a member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, are you prepared to carry paul ryan's gym bag to get him to be the speaker of the house? >> well, i believe that there are dozens of people in the house republican conference that would make excellent speakers of the house if paul ryan decides to run, i'll be thankful that he's in the race. i like jason chaffetz who's in the race, i like daniel webster. all three would have some positive things to offer for that position. >> so you are not in the camp of people that are essentially saying that only paul ryan can hold your entire caucus together? >> oh, no. we have a tremendous amount of
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talent in the house republican conference. we've got tom price in georgia, marsha blackburn in tennessee, i mentioned jason chaffetz and daniel webster, jason's from utah and daniel is from florida. we have jim gordon from ohio. we have lots of talent and i look forward to having a good selection to choose from. >> congressman, if that's the case, explain to us, as we watch this, the absolute desperation, it appears, across the board, to get paul ryan to do a job or to run for a job that he has said time and time and time again he does not want. >> well, there may be desperation on the part of some congressman, but i would submit that that's not the case with the vast majority of the house republican conference. and i respect paul ryan's hesitancy. many people think that it's a real plum to be speaker of the house. it is hard work. you're, in effect, divorcing yourself from your wife, from your kids, from your grandkids. you're spending hundreds of days each year away from your home
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district, either in washington, d.c. or fund-raising on behalf of candidates around the country. and so it's a very difficult and challenging job and i respect paul ryan's decision to put family first. >> and while it sounds like you have an insight into that decision, it sounds like that's what the decision has been so far. i have to ask you this, with due respect, historically this is somewhat anomalous, the speaker of the house is a position people have clamored for, they have spent decades trying to get it. many people want him to take it, he doesn't want to take it, and many interpret that as him not wanting the job because of the house freedom caucus, the 40 to 50 members of your party that have made the house fundamentally ungovernable. >> well, i would submit that that's not the case. if you remember when nancy pelosi was running for speaker, she also had democrats that were not voting for her, just like john boehner did not have republicans voting for him. there are always differences of opinion as to how the house should be run.
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personally, i want less dictation from the top and more bottom-up, where individual congressmen have the ability to better represent their districts by going through the committee process and getting their bills on the house floor, because the merits of those bills, as opposed to there being dictation from the top down, telling people what they can and cannot do, and then punishing via removal of committee chairmanships or removal of committees or other things, if you don't abide by the leadership's wishes. >> are you looking for some kind of signed set of concessions or agreements to rules, reform, or substantiative commitments from whoever it is, that becomes the next speaker before you would support them? >> well, for clarity, the house freedom caucus has not submitted to any candidate a criteria that has to be met before the house freedom caucus would support a particular candidate on the house floor. by way of example, i'm baffled that kevin mccarthy dropped out, in my opinion, and i wasn't a part of the vote count, and in my opinion, if he had continued with the election yesterday, he would have been nominated by the
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house republican conference, and ultimately, he had have received the 218 votes needed to be speaker of the house. it was a surprise to me as to a lot of other individuals. in the house freak caucus, we had four people who had people who had committed, and that's somewhat representative of the republican conference as a whole. now, what would have happened with a nominee, we won't know now, because kevin mccarthy has dropped out. but i think you're seeing a greater movement within the conference to minimize the retaliation that we're seeing, to minimize the top-down dictation and to allow congressmen from the bottom up to get legislation through to the house of representatives. >> all right, congressman, mel brooks, thank you for your time. i'm joined now by congressman ray fraild, you resigned in 2013 after pleading guilty to misdemeanor cocaine possession, his record has since been expunged. and he knows a thing or two
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about life inside this republican caucus and in the midst of media circuses. trey, how you doing? >> i'm doing really well. thank you so much for having me on tonight. so you were in this caucus. you were part of folks who came in there, hadn't been members of the house for a long time, took the place by a storm. what is happening right now? what's your read on why this incredible desperation to get paul ryan to come in and save everyone? >> well, paul ryan has the ability to bring people together. it is a little insane to me that some people now are claiming that he's not conservative enough. if you think about this, when -- as paul ryan has worked on budgets for many years, this was the guy that the democrats at one point put a look-alike paul ryan up, and when he talked about changing things like the mandatory spending, such as medicare, medicaid, social security, they had a look alike of paul ryan literally throw somebody's grandmother off of a cliff, because he's so far to the right, yet now somehow he's just not conservative enough. there are a few things that are
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happening here i think for paul ryan, that i can say, because i'm no longer in caucus. i'm not a politician. some things that some politicians cannot say. number one, undoubtedly, paul ryan does have to do some soul searching, and yes, he has to think about his family, his wife, and his young children. but there's also a much, much bigger picture to this, that will not be talked about. and that's, what are paul ryan's plans for the future? will he some day go back to w wisconsin to run for governor? does he want to run for president some day? because if he becomes speaker of the house, he's becoming essentially the spokesperson for congress, which has an approval rating somewhere between a colonoscopy and a root canal. lord knows my own shortcomings helped with that. but if he becomes the speaker of the house, this probably will not play too well for him politically down the road, because my contention is that no matter what happens, he's going to have a grace period, and he will be able to bring people together and paul's a great guy. i think he'll be able to work with democrats as well, but in
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the end, this is a pretty tough position for anyone with political aspirations to be in. >> yeah, that's the two downsides of paul ryan, one about what you say about this being essentially a dead end for any kind of further aspiration for higher office, whether governor or president, but also just the basic math problem john boehner encountered, and i think the basic problem that probably chased kevin mccarthy away, is just that there's 40 or 50 people, members of this caucus, that are going to ban together and basically say, no, we're not going to do what you tell us until we get our way, whether that's a shutdown over planned parenthood, whether that's a defund obamacare reconciliation fight. and if they're going to do that, then that job becomes really next to impossible. >> it does. and what speaker boehner has had to do for certain pieces of legislation that he has wanted passed is basically rely on democrats to do that, even though republicans control the house. this is the situation we're in. look, i'm conservative. and i have no apologies for that. however, i will, again, in
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sharing a little bit that i can, to give you a little taste of sometimes, the way that people feel. yes, they'll talk down about no more top-down leadership and we want things like regular order and the wonky areas of that. however, i have worked with some of the members in the freedom caucus, that at times, when we had legislation, that we worked together on, there was one member in particular, in my office, i'm not going to call names, but who actually, when we began to have success with it, and leadership blessed our legislation to go to the floor for approval, once leadership signed off on it, this particular member of congress said, you know what, i don't think i want to do it anymore, because i don't trust them. >> yeah, that -- >> as ridiculous as this sounds, chris, i don't want to plug your own book on your own show, but this is exactly like your book reads. "twilight of the elites." where the american public is so fed up and members of congress are so fed up with anything institutional, they reject it. soy think that what you have now on the left, you've got bernie sanders, who's not even a
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democrat, running for the democratic nomination. you've got donald trump on the right, with fiery rhetoric, because people are angry and there's an inherent distrust in the system today. >> that point about trust, just even between the leadership and the caucus rank and file, that's interesting. trey radel, thank you for coming on. joining me now, former dnc chair, howard dean. and i was thinking about you today. i was thinking about, what's -- we're watching this crisis play out. we're watching this uncertainty, which is pretty historically anomalous. usually all of this goes realtively smoothly. and i was thinking, what exactly is the republican party? what can the republican party bring to bear? and i thought the republican party right now, as an institution, are the people who are calling paul ryan and telling him he has to take a job. that basically is what the republican party is. what do you think of that? >> i think the republican party right now is in real trouble. and we probably need to go back to the old model of what the speaker does, and start passing
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stuff bipartisanly. i actually think that paul ryan doesn't want this job because 40 or 50 people in the republican house are going to make his life miserable. i thought what the former congressman said was exactly right. if they ever get close to an agreement, they'll back off. but these people are oppositional in nature. they don't care about government, they don't want government, they don't like government, and they don't want government to work. you can't work with people like that, and paul ryan knows that. the only way to get anything done in this house is to get 150 democrats and 150 republicans to vote together and throw those guys over the side. and until some republican is willing to do that, no sane person is going to take the job as speaker. >> and that's what boehner kept having to do. and we should note here, alan grayson said something on the show, and it's something not to lose sight of. we could have comprehensive immigration reform. boehner brought the hastert rule and brought things to the house three, four, i think five times to pass things essentially with democrats. he just did it five days ago as one of his final acts as
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speaker. he could have done that with immigration reform, which would have passed by a huge majority. we would now have millions of people whose lives would be tangibly better if he had done that. and yet he didn't have the courage to when it mattered. . and the question is, will anyone who can emerge from this process have that? >> well, somebody's going to have to have it. because leadership is about telling your own people things they done want to hear. but most politicians think leadership is getting up and making big speeches and telling people all about what you want. it's not. it's about listening to other people, and telling them bad news and making them like it. and that's what the really great speakers, tip o'neill, sam r rayburn and people like that have done. >> duno you think we will see a play -- if he buckles, i think this crisis is resolved in the short-term. if he doesn't, all bets are off. the question becomes, do you imagine, since the entire house votes for the speaker, it's an
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office of the house, can you see a situation in which democrats vote for republican speaker, so they have leverage in who it is? >> that has actually happened in several states. and in texas, a more moderate republican was elected speaker with democrat votes. he had about 30% of his own caucus, and all of the democratic caucus, and he got elected speaker. so that could happen. and i think, that's probably what needs to happen, because you've got 40 or 50 incredibly intransigent people who have got their own view s ahead of the views of the country. >> and you also have these folks, and it occurs to me, they don't seem particularly concerned. there doesn't seem any kind of gravitational force that is bearing on them that they feel like they have to buckle to any of this. they're all going to go get re-elected. the only thing they have to worry about is a primary challenge, anyway. they feel like they've been elected to go change the place. what really can you threaten these guys with? >> you can't threaten them. they're basically nihilists. they came to do nothing and they came to stop everything.
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and they've actually done a pretty good job doing that. >> all right. howard dean, always a pleasure. thank you. >> thanks, chris. still to come, the republican candidate who's been patiently waiting on the sidelines and why that might be enough to win the nomination. plus, while joe biden is welcomed to join the upcoming democratic debate should he announce, actual declared candidate lawrence lessig has not been invited to the stage. he joins me live. and later, my interview with late-night host seth myers, those stories and more ahead. your job when you're sick. tough symptoms need alka-seltzer plus cold & cough it's four cold symptom fighters put you back in control. stay unstoppable. alka-seltzer plus. yeah! ahh... you probably say it a million times a day. ahh... ahh! ahh... ahh! but at cigna, we want to help everyone say it once a year. say "ahh". >>ahh... cigna medical plans cover one hundred percent
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the republican presidential race is currently experiencing what we call a marco rubio boomlet. he has gotten high marks the for his the two debate performances and made no missteps and has benefited from the other establishment-friendly candidates in the crowded gop field. rick perry and scott walker already out of the race, while chris christie are struggling to connect with voters, after jeb bush who has expected to be the donor-class standard-bearer, his candidacy has thus far been, i think it's fair to say, pretty underwomening. rubio is leading bush in
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national polls and trails only the three candidates who have never held office, ben carson, donald trump, and carly fiorina. if those non-elected official candidates fade in the long run, as many expect, rubio is well positioned to emerge as a consensus candidate, which is why he's become the kind of trendy choice to win the nomination. but there's another candidate that's been largely overlooked and could very well emerge as a legitimate contender. a full 50% of gop voters support trump, carson, or fiorina. and if they leave the race, the most logical one to pick up is ted cruz. he's just announced he's raised a very impressive $12 until in the third quarter, and despite being a senator, can applausely claim the anti-establishment mantle and is uniquely poised to exploit the current chaos. you probably notice that unlike moefs his rivals, cruz has declined to attack trump. instead, cruz is trying to wait trump out, and then secure his
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supporters. >> in time, i don't believe donald is going to be the nominee and i think in time, the lion's share of his supporters end up with us. and i think the reason is what i was just saying. that if you look to the records of all the republican candidates. there's a big difference between my record and that of everyone else, if you ask, who has stood up to washington, who's sustain on not just democrats, but taken on leaderships in their own party, republican leadership. >> all right, joining me now are republican media consultant, rick wilson. rick, here's my theory of the ted cruz strategy. and i think it's actually pretty smart. when you watch speed skating in the winter olympics and they have the races that are long, right? say, ten lapse. and basically for the first eight laps, everyone's trying to not wipe out and stay in the pack, and then someone either makes a move or you hope someone in the front gets their skate tangled and completely wipes out and you end up in first.
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that is basically, explicitly, the ted cruz strategy at this point, and i think it's a pretty smart one. >> well, look, i think that ted cruz has a couple of really strong assets about his personal conservatism and his record as being a guy who is a very iconicic person in the senate, which means he's hated in the senate. and largely for reasons having to do with launching these shutdown fights without a real plan to win them. just to do them, but right now, he's trying to leverage his position as a very hard conservative, by being donald trump's pilot fish to the great white shark that is dronald trup and hopes to catch the scraps some day when donald trump gets harpooned. i don't think it's the worst strategy in the world. >> for me, here's what i would say, just as a sort of coronunt. look, you've already seen two
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candidates go out. he's got a fairly large small donor network that he can go to again and again and again, because he's been essentially a conservative list-building machine for all of these various fights. he can stick in it a while who are getting their e-mail blasts, like, ted cruz is fighting for us, and he can wait things out more than perry or walker were ever designed to. >> i think that's right. he can live off the land for an awful long time, which is kind of the position in the past where a ron paul-type will be in. which is a very dedicated base of supporters, who are going to click those links, when it says donate here, to keep up ted cruz's fight. they're going to click those. i think there's an ability to sustain himself. the question will be, if ted cruz, you know, can really post up a fantastic debate performance the next time up, and to start connecting in a way that's a little broader than just, you know, the hard-core of the base. because people will start --
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yeah. people will start to look at the candidates, not only for their conservative bone fooids, but also, is this person we can post up against hillary clinton. and that's why marco rubio has had such a great few weeks. he's the old versus new contrast, very strong with marco. and he's got a certain fluentsy with that. and if he can broaden his appeal and come out with something a little less, like, we're doomed. and only my stern discipline will save us. >> and there's also jahmell bowie and slate wrote a smart piece about this, comparing him to how santorum emerged, by sort of enduring and ultimately, as people dropped out or people became nonviable, who inherited the kind of anti-romney manuel.
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it became santorum. in some ways, cruz has a stronger operation, a more credible way of being a challenger, if it comes down to essentially a candidate that is co coded or thought of as the donor class as establishment or a plausible nominee and someone who is considered more of a troublemaker or bomb thrower as cruz is. i think it's plausible for him to get to that point in the race. >> well, i think that one of the things everyone remembers about santorum is it dragged on for mitt romney for a couple more weeks, while priorities usa on the obama side super pac was hammering the hell out of him. >> right. >> so there are a lot of folks who will want to start to bring this thing to a close sooner than later. so that we're not in the same position romney was in, when he was getting his head pounded in every day with a hammer, while we're still grinding it out with somebody who can't win. it's the old charles de gaulle thing, when he said to the russians, i can't necessarily defeat you, but i can tear off an arm or a leg. so it's -- it's the same sort of analogy.
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tonight, northern arizona university's campus is secure after a deadly shooting very early this morning that left one student dead and three others wounded. a suspect in that deadly confrontation, also a student at the university, has been arrested and arraigned. meanwhile, campuswide lockdown
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at texas southern university has been lifted after a different shooting this morning. that left one dead and one in serious but stable condition. police have two persons of interest in custody, while the main suspect remains at large, according to authorities. these two deadly campus shootings on the same day came the day that president obama traveled to roseburg, oregon, to meet with the families of the nine victims of the mass shooting at umpqua community college last week. in preparation, the president's arrival, protesters gathered along the street along with some supporters. some of the group, many organized with a pro-gun message, carried firearms. others held signs, saying that gun-free zones are not safe zones. gun-free zones equal kill zones. others simply gathered to tell the president they didn't want him in their town. >> you know, he just needs to know that he's not welcome in this town, you know? the townspeople don't want him. you know, he's here for a gun-grabbing agenda and you know, our town is in mourning. they need to heal before he comes here with his agenda.
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>> you'll note the confederate flag, the universal sign of healing, in the background. the president who met with the families for an hour at roseburg high school met briefly afterwards and promised the federal government would do anything it could to help. >> there are going to be, i think, moments, as we go forward, where we're going to have to come together and figure out how do we stop things like this from happening. and, you know, i've got some very strong feelings about this because when you talk to these families, you're reminded that this could be happening to your child, or your mom or your dad or your relative or your friend. but today, it's about the families. their grief and the love we feel for them. and they surely do appreciate all the support that they've received. you had some blocks and you had major thoroughfares and corridors
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harvard law professor lawrence lessig is running for president. he's one of six candidates on the democratic side vying for the white house and the only non-politician. the fact that he's raised $1 million in less than a month should give the impression he's running an actual campaign, especially considering that martin o'malley, former two-term mayor raised $2 million during the first month of his presidential campaign, and former rhode island senator lincoln chafee has raised under $400,000 in the first six months, with most of that coming as a loan from the candidate himself. and then there's senator jim webb, a candidate so under the radar that mother jones has looked into whether he is actually running for president. lessig is running at least as serious a campaign as jim webb and lincoln chafee, but he's been left off a number of polls. to qualify, a candidate must average at least 1% in a combination of three national polls released between august 1st and october 10th. and based on those rules, lessig's campaign could be over just as it's getting started.
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joining me now, democratic presidential candidate, lawrence lessig. so the argument about the debate, it's their network and they come up with the rules, 1% isn't such a super high bar. >> i think the question should be, what are the viable campaigns o out there? and i think we demonstrated we have a viable campaign. we have not just $1 million in less than a month, we have a real staff, we've got ads going up in the states -- >> you just had $150,000 ad buy. >> in iowa and new hampshire. so we've got a real campaign with a real issue. that's the important thing here, right? this is a fundamental issue and my perspective on this issue, on that stage, would be fundamentally different than everybody else that's out there. but the real challenge, chris, is to get this issue discussed in the media. the reason it's difficult to get 1% is i don't have a thousand shows talking about this issue. >> the issue is this massively
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distorting influence of money in politics, particularly the sort of concentration of wealth and the way the concentration of wealth essentially subverts our basic, most fundamental commitment to one person, one vote. >> so that is unissue. and that's certainly one issue that i'm talking about. but the other issue, you know, we see in this house republican disaster right now, because of the stupid way we jergerrymande these votes, we kruk a congress that is more polarized than it would be if we adopted a proportional system. and the second part of the reform i'm talking about would fundamentally change the way districts are drawn, so they could begin to have a congress that was more representative of america. like, this is all the same point. we don't have a representative democracy. we've got to get one if you're going to have a government that can run. >> so what's happening here, all these people are running and say, elect me to run this machine. and you're saying, this machine is a fundamentally broken machine. it is an unusable machine, that you could get the best person in
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the world to crank the machine and it will keep giving you terrible outcomes. >> and how do we get people to talk about this? you know, people -- >> people do talk -- so when you talk about money in politics, right, people talk about it all the time, right? i just used it in my introas be you're serious. we talk about oh, so-and-so can stay in the race, because some billionaire car dealer really likes him, right? well, we all talk about those. it's like, what do we do about it, right? >> that's the point. we can do a lot about it. we can change the way campaigns are funded. not the super pac issue. the supreme court has to clean that up the, but we could change the way campaigns are funded tomorrow. and if we did and made it so candidates for congress were not spending 30 to 70% of their time talking to the tiniest fraction of 1%, but instead raising their money for everyone in the district across the country, that would radically change the concentrated interest in congress that's producing the
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vitocracy of our government. >> meaning, too many veto points, too many choke points, too many place where 40 members of congress can say, the whole thing's done. >> we've got to focus on the fact that we've allowed this democracy to fall apart. it is a broken machine, to use your metaphor. and there are ways we could fix it. and we could fix it if we just focused on how to do it. >> i guess there's part of me that feels like, there's something about this that feels a little, you know, the term they used to do in chicago was, like, good government type, the machine would crank on and there were folks who would come and say, this whole thing's corrupt. and that's actually just human power. you could come in with your reforms. >> no, chris, in chicago, government worked. the point about our government is we've got really important problems that we can't address. and we won't address them. all the things bernie is talking about, all the things hillary -- >> senator bernie sanders. >> are the most important things we need to address but we cannot
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address them until we deal with this problem. this is fundamental reality. the practical reality of how our government -- >> let's say you don't get on the debate stage. then the question becomes, you're going to do it, you're going to run for president. you build something here? the proof is in the pudding. if this is really politics, right, can you go out and do the stuff of real politics to build thing? >> the challenge is to get media to be willing to talk about something more than the horse race or the e-mail problem of hillary clinton. to actually talk about what would solve the problem we have in government right now. and if we can get in the media to be able to do that, and get to the level necessary to be in the next debate, i think our polls show us, this would radically change the way this debate, this election develops. >> you know, it has been funny, just that one of the core messages of donald trump has basically been that the wloel system is rigged and corrupt, and i know because i used to be the one paying to rig and corrupt it. >> it's bipartisan now.
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we've got -- >> that, i think, that -- if there's one thing that's clear to me, it's that it's not, like, republicans will tell you, yes, big money has too much influence. that shows up widely in the polling, but also anecdotally. you're out reporting and talking to people -- >> so why aren't we doing something about it? why isn't this at least 10% of being discussed? but instead, we spend eight weeks trying to line the depths of donald trump's brain, instead of talking about a real issue that if we'd solve, would make it really possible to govern. still ahead, my interview with seth myers. don't go anywhere. take zzzquil and sleep like... you haven't seen your bed in days. no, like you haven't seen a bed in weeks! zzzquil. the non habit-forming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily, and wake refreshed. because sleep
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he's a writer behind must have of your favorite "saturday night live" sketches, and now as the host of late-night, seth myers is making his mark in the crowded field of late-night comedy, by taking on the 2016 campaign. >> despite claiming last week that he would have rushed the oregon shooter to save lives, dr. ben carson yesterday recounted how he was once held up at gunpoint at a popeye's chicken and told the gunman, i
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believe you want the guy behind the counter. so we know at least one guy who's definitely not voting for ben carson. >> joining me now is seth myers, host of late-night with seth myers. great to have you here. >> thank you very much. >> i had a great time when i was on your show. >> it was resyrup sip riblg. >> so there was this headline, why seth myers might be the real heir to jon stewart. i saw that headline and realized i had become addicted to the political bits you had been doing. >> oh, thanks. >> i want to play a clip of one, so if they haven't seen, a flavor of what i'm talking about. >> mccarthy's announcement wasn't helped by the fact that the acoustics in the room where the republicans met were terrible. here's congressman peter king describing the big moment. >> were you stunned? >> yeah, most people weren't sure what he said. the sound system was not good. >> so to clarify, the republicans not only can't find a house speaker, they can't even
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find actual speakers. >> you guys have been doing a lot of this, almost nightly now, stuff on not just the campaign, but also just stuff in the news. obviously, you did weekend update, but are you more focused on this? >> i want to start by clarifying, i don't think anyone will be an heir to jon stewart. i do think that jon and steven did in a way present this idea that audiences will consume this political news as comedy, to which i think a lot of people picked up on and it's really fun to do. but i think when we started the show, we had this idea, we'll do a lot of politics. and the reality was we were just a new show and didn't quite know the best way to pull it together, so we were doing one a month and we got it to one every two weeks, and now we're at a place where thanks to the staff we have, that's gotten very adept at pulling these things off, especially the clip you've just showed, that's a real day of, a story that breaks at noon, that you have to pull together
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that day, we're getting kind of adept at doing that. so hopefully three to four days a week, we can pull it off. >> do you have plans for the 2016 campaign? it has already provided, obviously, a tremendous amount of material. >> yeah, you don't plan, you're more happy. you will say, and this is something i went through at "snl," it's always exciting to write comedy during an election year, because it is like a reality show. there are a certain number of contestants, there are fewer at each turn, people say outrageous things. nothing's worse than having to write about the passage of a health care bill or the debt ceiling. >> i get that. >> it might have been interesting the first time when you explain it to people, but now, again, that is probably why people are all so frustrated with politics, in a way that campaigns make them less frustrated, because it's the promise of something different, when you go back to, hey, you know that thing that keeps happening and we keep saying it's a disaster, and it keeps happening. >> the sort of dramatic, the core essence of drama is some sense of uncertainty. we don't know what will happen. it's why people watch sports,
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right? >> so when politics gets more repetitive, it becomes less dramatic, and the campaign is the ultimate drama, because it is ultimately -- >> right, there will be a different person in charge. and i think that will just constantly draw people to it. and it will be a good year for all of us that are doing shows like this. up next, what seth myers this is about the modern era of late-night comedy.
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there's too many of these shows, why are there so many of what seem to be the same thing? but, of course, i think of that hour, you want to tune in to a voice you trust, a voice that has some consistency to it. and i do think, because in that way that people keep trying to do live television and realizing, you know, it's important to watch it tonight, you know, our shows don't age particularly well. you know, if you know -- i don't think anybody on saturday binge watches the week of late-night with seth myers. it's important to give them -- >> what happens on tuesday? >> right, right. but, so, again, you're just trying to -- and again, i do think there's a wealth of talented people doing shows right now and i'm lucky to be one of them that's getting a chance. >> and i think the thing you're saying too about the ritual is a huge part of it. as time shifting becomes more normal, as people select what they want, the things you feel there's a little bit of ritual around kind of pops that much more. and i think, early in the morning and late at night, those
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parts of the day sort of continue to be those kind of ritualistic -- >> there's also the sense that it's nice to start watching a show like this, that you don't have to finish. if you sit down to watch an episode of "game of thrones," you say, i only like the first part of "game of thrones," i don't like the -- and there is a sense where you say, the first ten minutes i really like, maybe i don't interviews as much, but some people will stay for the interviews. so you're constantly aware that you want each sort of piece that you're giving people to sort of stand on its own and be something, you know, and again, we're competing with two things. one, people going to bed. and two, to some degree, with i think all late-night shows now are competing with, if we're going to watch tv, let's check up on tuesday's sitcom we missed. >> yeah, you're competing against everything else that one could select to view. i like our show and i think we do a really good job, but an awesome episode of "game of thrones," that's really good. there's millions and millions and millions of dollars that
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went into that one hour. >> yeah. and now, you know, or just a movie. >> right. should we watch this or now -- it used to be, we have to go to the movies to see a movie or go to blockbuster. you're competing against all these different things. but that's why, certainly, a year and a half into it, i've been pretty -- i'm pretty optimistic about how much people still enjoy watching shows like ours. >> and it also strikes me, and this has been true of some of the political bits you've been doing with the over the shoulders is like, there's also something about the kind of next-morning clip phenomenon, which can really push past whatever audience is watching it then, you know, i went through long periods where i sort of got out of the habit of watching say, "daily show" or colbert, but i would see the next morning, and that becomes part of your audience as well. >> and that's how i consume other late-night shows and have been for a while. you know, so, i'm happy -- the important thing is you want to have something that people will want to watch the next day. it's great if that's something that is really in step with what
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you try to do on the show every night. >> my great thanks to seth meyers, and that is all in for thnk. t"the rachel maddow show" start right now. >> you talking to seth meyers spectacular and you talking to lawrence lessig is spectacular. you're always great, but your interviews on the democratic side in terms of what's going on presidential politics is so much better than anyone else's. >> thank you, rachel. >> have a great weekend. >> you, too. >> thanks for joining us this hour. fridays are supposed to be boring in the news business. whether you are a liberal or a conservative or neither or you're not sure or you don't even care enough to care what you are, you, right now, by virtue of the fact that you are living right now, all of us right now, we are all living through an era in american politics that is, a, very exciting, but, b, it's one where there is one super interesting

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